patching...
Welcome back, Patch Blogger!

The Firmenich Decision: Notes and Quotes

Following the approval of the Richman Group's latest proposal Monday night, we take a closer look at what was said during the deciding meeting of the Safety Harbor City Commission.

 

More than 30 people stood up and spoke during the Safety Harbor City Commission meeting Monday night regarding the Firmenich property proposal, and that's not including officials from the city and the developer.

With so much to report regarding the approval of the Richman Group's plan, it was difficult to include in Patch's initial story many of the thoughts and opinions that were expressed during a meeting that ran nearly four hours long.

So with the proposal for a 246-unit apartment complex with 25,000-square-feet of office space now headed to the county level, we wanted to highlight some of the comments that were made during the meeting.

Here is a sample of comments made by residents and officials on both sides of the issue.

Kevin Moyer, resident: "I don't like the project, I don't like the density, and I don't like where it's gone. It's not that I'm against development — this property will be developed - but the scope and scale is completely out of character."

Bernard James, resident: "After spending 25 years in Europe, I got used to to quaint, nice, quiet small communities. ... The reason why I picked Safety Harbor was because it reminded me of some of the quaint, nice, friendly towns in Austria. What we are about to do now is change that character. And that's the one reason I oppose it."

Bruce Hadburg, resident: "I'm impressed that the Commission has listened to what the residents have said. You've implored the Richman Group to work with you and they have made some changes ... I think the strategy is to continue to protest so they'll keep moving the density down to where it becomes economically infeasible. ... I think Safety Harbor needs to move forward." 

Robert Pergolizzi, Richman Group spokesperson: "The changes we have made have been quite substantial since the beginning of this process. We've come back and done exactly what you asked - we've reduced the units, we've reduced the height...We're here to do our job and be part of this community."

Christina Jackson, resident: "We've reviewed the proposal ... and I was very disappointed to see the changes, or a lack thereof. We do want something here, but not on this scale."


Stay up to date with all the local issues. Sign up for the free Safety Harbor Patch email newsletter and you won't miss a thing!


Russell Norman, resident: "I would like to ask the Commission to take the proposal and scrap it all together. The residents are being sold a bill of goods by this developer that just doesn't pass the smell test ... We aren't saying no development, we're just saying get it right."

Alan Zimmet, city attorney: "Your decision tonight is constrained by certain state statutes and rules of laws that apply to you ... Florida is a very strong property rights state. ... Firmenich, as the property owner ... has certain rights that state statutes and the rules of the courts have required you to recognize." 

John Lundbreck, resident: "Safety Harbor is quaint but there could be a margin between quaint and quiet and a margin between quiet and dead. ...  Safety Harbor needs, I think, to embrace some development. Myself, my friends and neighbors say build this development."

Alisa Hostetler, resident: "I'm going to make this short and sweet. We as residents of Safety Harbor were smart enough to vote you into office, and we're also smart enough to realize what's in our best interests, and we hope you are, too. "

Nina Pilon, resident: "I've lived on Harbor Hills Drive for six years ... and I'm here to say I would like to see this development move forward. ... I really and truly believe that this is in the best interest of Safety Harbor. 

Related coverage

    What do you think, Harborites? Add your thoughts on the topic in the comments below.

    Related Topics: City Commission Meeting, Development, Firmenich Property Proposal, and Safety Harbor City Commission

    Robert "Bobby" Saltzman

    6:54 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Certainly most of you know how I feel about this project. There are still some questions that need to be asked. Now that Richman Group (RG) has taken the wetlands out of the equation, we still have that very sticky traffic snafu. Before I believe the paid for so called “scientific study” I will trust Commissioner Merz’s study just a wee bit more. The thing that is most on my mind is why is RG so hot to build here that they would fight so hard. This is no small builder that will go out of business if they don’t get “this” project. The short answer I got was they want a presence in Safety Harbor at all costs. Is the motive to get a foot in the door and build more in the future? As far as I am concerned these are modern day tenements waiting to happen. They are not the old five story walkups in Brooklyn but they are tenements just the same.
    (cont

    Reply

    Robert "Bobby" Saltzman

    6:54 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    The market rate will have to be held for one year. If after that year apartments in the surrounding area are higher they can adjust the rents. If the market is down they may have to adjust down and that may bring in a less than desirable element. Something I have seen happen at other large complexes.

    Impact fees, did anyone feel the $350,000.00 that was thrust at the Commission was a veiled bribe err I mean incentive. The Commission was told they can do what they like with the money. Fortunately we have savvy City Attorney, Mr. Zumwalt he reminded the Commissioners that they only get part of that money some of it goes to the County and they “cannot” do as they please with
    (cont)

    Reply

    Robert "Bobby" Saltzman

    7:17 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    I reiterate I hope it’s a wonderful project that becomes a shining star in the community. I hope it doesn’t upset the eco system that surrounds it and most of all does not bring down property values of the nearby homes. The three things that drive Real Estate are location, location, location. Safety Harbor definitely is the location of choice for business and living, we can only hope it remains that way for a long time.

    Reply

    Michael

    12:43 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013

    Robert reflects my concerns also. RG is a large corp. with many affiliates. At least one is a nonprofit that RG can shift 51% ownership to when they want to get tax exempt status. Its happening all over the state and Pinellas stands to lose over $3 million this year alone. Who thinks their taxes won't go up to make up for those loses? Remember RG gets paid either way. Its the tax payers who make up the difference. Ignoring these well intended misbegotten issues is how Detroit got in the shape they're in. Who living in Florida or Safety Harbor wants to help Detroit out of its mess? I moved from that area over 30 years ago to avoid that corruption torn mess. Mayors Young and Kilpatrick were only 2 of the ringleaders in cahoots with the unions, auto and city. Come to find out many Safety Harbor residents seem to have the same kind of apathy. Lulling themselves into thinking the city government has their best interests at heart. NOT! I had planned on investing in a new kitchen and bathrooms, but now I'm rethinking those plans. I think I'll save that money for something else the city can't increase my taxes on. Maybe a small place around Durango and grow some crops.

    Reply

    Leave a comment